Commercialisation for whom? (Photo credit: Peter Blanchard)
Robert Reich (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Ralph Nader 2 by David Shankbone (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Ralph Nader speaking in front of the White House at the September 15, 2007 protest against the Iraq War. The full speech (ca. 10 minutes) was broadcasted on C-SPAN on September 16, 2007. See: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ralph_Nader_how_many_Impeachable_offences_0916.html (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
FOCUS: Robert Reich | Are We Headed for Bedford Falls or Pottersville?
Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog
Reich writes: "It's easy to feel discouraged about the bullying by right-wing Republicans and their patrons over everything from gun control to taxes and social safety nets to trade unions and jobs."
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Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog
Reich writes: "It's easy to feel discouraged about the bullying by right-wing Republicans and their patrons over everything from gun control to taxes and social safety nets to trade unions and jobs."
READ MORE
FOCUS: Ralph Nader | The Commercialization of Family
Ralph Nader, Reader Supported News
Nader writes: "Spreading 'joy with toys' is a major part of what the holidays in America have become - selling directly to children, without respect to limits, boundaries or even common decency."
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Ralph Nader, Reader Supported News
Nader writes: "Spreading 'joy with toys' is a major part of what the holidays in America have become - selling directly to children, without respect to limits, boundaries or even common decency."
READ MORE
FOCUS: Chris Hedges | The Final Battle
Chris Hedges, Truthdig
Hedges writes: "It is about protecting the state from us. That is why no one in the executive or legislative branch is going to restore our rights. The new version of the NDAA, like the old ones, provides our masters with the legal shackles to make our resistance impossible. And that is their intention."
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![#@[117610195068827:274:Idle No More] Spreading Across The World! (SHARE)
There's a google map of all the worldwide #IdleNoMore events and rallies scheduled, find your local rally! View the Google Map here: http://bit.ly/ZWzvNA (upcoming events in order by place and date included below)
If you're helping to organize a rally that isn't showing, please email the map admin "If you are interested in collaborating on this map, have information you want shared on it, or want to email for any reason you can reach timgrovesreports@gmail.com
#IDLENOMORE Use this form to add new events to the map: http://bit.ly/VhkvSx
All allies: Make this your profile photo if you support #idle No More!! />> http://on.fb.me/VwQnCZ<<
>>>ONTARIO<<<
Ottawa Idle No More!
Wednesday, December 26, 2012
11:45pm Rideau Centre food court
http://www.facebook.com/events/365824043513786/
IDLE NO MORE Flash Mob - Lambton Mall, Sarnia
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 12:00 pm EST - Sarnia, Ont:
http://www.facebook.com/events/208347202635609/
DIRECT ACTION EVENTS- IDLE NO MORE SUDBURY, ONTARIO
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 – Sudbury, Ont:
http://www.facebook.com/events/116028511898196/
BOXING DAY FLASH MOBS @ THE NEW SUDBURY CENTER
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:00am in EST - Sudbury, Ont:
https://www.facebook.com/events/319375251511987/
#idleNOMore Powwow - Sioux Lookout
December 31 at 3:00pm until January 1 at 1:00am in UTC-06 - Sioux Lookout, Ontario:
www.facebook.com/events/574026405947259/
NEW YEAR DAY MARCH/RALLY - IDLE NO MORE
Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:00pm in EST - Sudbury Ont:
https://www.facebook.com/events/419641688107098/
>>>SASKATCHEWAN<<<
FOUR DAY FAST (FEAST TO FOLLOW) IN HONOR OF CHIEF TERESA SPENCE - IDLE NO MORE
Thursday, December 27 at 12:00am until December 31 at 12:00pm in CST – Regina, Sask:
http://www.facebook.com/events/183266951818348/
***FLASH MOB ROUND DANCE*** Saskatoon
Tuesday, Jan 1st, 2013 – Saskatoon, Sask:
http://www.facebook.com/events/244017195728811/
>>>ALBERTA<<<
IDLE NO MORE FLASH MOB PEACEFUL ROUND DANCE!!
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 2:00 pm – Fort McMurray, Alberta:
http://www.facebook.com/events/435956453126990/
Edmonton- Idle No More!
Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 12:00pm
West Edmonton Mall FLASH MOB! (DEC. 26) -
http://www.facebook.com/events/391320147620147/
Horse Nation will idle no more!!! (Horse ride from Hobbema to Wetaskiwin)
Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:00am in UTC-07 - Hobbema, Alberta:
https://www.facebook.com/events/510478882306393/
Idle No More – Edmonton Alberta - ONE Heartbeat
Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:30am until 2:00pm in UTC-07:
http://www.facebook.com/events/119110748252831/
>>>MANITOBA<<<
Boxing Day-FLASHMOB-Idle No More!!!!!
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 1:00 pm - Winnipeg, MB, St Vital Centre:
http://www.facebook.com/events/319389158175816/
Blockade-Idle No More - Long Plain highway 305 bridge
Friday, December 28, 2012 9:00am until 1:00pm in UTC-06 Long Plain, MB 305 highway bridge:
www.facebook.com/events/279417212180065/
Idle No More Rally in Portage La Prairie, MB
Friday, December 28, 2012 2:00pm until 4:00pm in UTC-06 - Portage La Prairie, MB:
http://www.facebook.com/events/112085502295812/
>>>BRITISH COLUMBIA<<<
Flash Round Dance ~ End Bill C-45
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 1:00 pm - Kelowna, BC:
https://www.facebook.com/events/180107732135817/?ref=3
#idlenomore Vancouver -BC
Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:00pm
Vancouver Convention Centre
http://www.facebook.com/events/400759850006513/
#idle No More Vancouver Island - Flash mob round dance
Sunday, Dec 30, 2012 11:00 am - VICTORIA, BC:
www.facebook.com/events/425174077556270/
" Idle No More " NCN Community Gathering on January 3rd, 2013
Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 12:00pm until 2:00 pm – Port Alberni, BC:
http://www.facebook.com/events/179940208815902/
#IdleNoMore VICTORIA: March and Rally
Saturday, Jan 26th, 2012 10:00 am until 2:00 pm – Victoria BC:
http://www.facebook.com/events/386174398135943/
>>>CANADA<<<
24 Hour Hunger Strike In Solidarity With Chief Spence
On-going:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Idle-No-More-Solidarity-24-Fast/394846537266543
Idle No More - Write to Your local MP & PM Campaign (in French too - Traduction française ci-dessous)
Sunday, December 30, 2012 – Anywhere:
http://www.facebook.com/events/414070268666979/
Idle No More: Turtle Island Movement - Border Blockade
Saturday, Jan 5th, 2013 – All of Canada:
http://www.facebook.com/events/377706782321580/
>>>AMERICA<<<
"Idle No More" Flash Mob RoundDance-Animas Valley Mall, Farmington New Mexico
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 6:00 pm MST – Farmington, New Mexico:
http://www.facebook.com/events/485571974820081/
IDLE NO MORE Flash Mob - Lambton Mall
ROUND DANCE IN DETROIT
Thursday, Dec 27th 2012, 6:30 pm EST - Detroit:
https://www.facebook.com/events/141168206037168/
Idle No More - Santa Rosa (Northern California)
Thursday, Dec 27th 2012, Santa Rosa, Northern California
http://www.facebook.com/events/296801467105644/
Idle No More- Phoenix, AZ 12/29/12
Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:00pm in MST - Phoenix, AZ:
https://www.facebook.com/events/315048605266074/
Next Seattle #IdleNoMore Action:
Spinning Wind Next one- Idle No More Seattle
December 29 at 1:00pm
Westlake Center in Seattle, Washington
(No link provided)
Denver, CO-Unity Round Dance
Saturday Dec 29, 2012 1:30 p.m Cherry Creek Mall – Denver, CO:
http://www.facebook.com/events/317867141651960/
Oklahoma Natives Flash Mob Southern Style
Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:00pm in CST - Oklahoma
www.facebook.com/events/124906331007124/
IDLE NO MORE!! Sacramento Native's Flash Mob
Saturday, Dec 29, 2012 2:00pm until 5:00pm - SACRAMENTO:
http://www.facebook.com/events/399332423474544/
Idle No More Flash Roundy-Minneapolis/St.paul
Saturday, Dec 29th, 2012 5 pm – Minneapolis and St. Paul:
http://www.facebook.com/events/182779601866349/
IDLE NO MORE - Flash Round Dance imaa GAKAABIKAANG
Sunday, Dec 30th, 2012 6:00 pm CST – Minneapolis:
http://www.facebook.com/events/205119732946505/
Arizona Natives New Year's Eve Flash Mob
Sunday, December 31, 2012 11:55pm in MST - Tempe, AZ:
www.facebook.com/events/208839562586971
Idle No More Solidarity Protest International Falls, Mn Border Crossing.
Saturday, Jan 5th, 2013 – International Falls, MN Border Crossing:
http://www.facebook.com/events/399425550131879/
>>>GLOBAL<<<
24 Hour Hunger Strike In Solidarity With Chief Spence
On-going:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Idle-No-More-Solidarity-24-Fast/394846537266543
Idle No More, London UK Solidarity Action
Monday, January 28, 2013 8:30am until 9:00am in UTC - LONDON, UK:
http://www.facebook.com/events/458961510829311
There's a google map of all the worldwide #IdleNoMore events and rallies scheduled, find your local rally below! Communities that have taken part now includes over 111 #idlenomore events in 90 places and growing! View the Google Map here >http://bit.ly/ZWzvNA<
Map courtesy of the fantastic work of Tim Grows
If you're helping to organize a rally that isn't showing, please email the map admin below.- "If you are interested in collaborating on this map, have information you want shared on it, or want to email for any reason you can reach > timgrovesreports@gmail.com
#IDLENOMORE Use this form to add new events to the map: http://bit.ly/VhkvSx
#idlenomore RoundDance FlashMobs happening EVERYWHERE in support of your First Nations brothers and sisters
TORONTO! MUST WATCH>>http://bit.ly/V8uISw
Idle No More Toronto On December 21. 2012 Over 1000 people took part in the Idle No More FlashMob Round Dance, Over 8 rows people deep stopped the busiest intersection in Canada @ Yonge-Dundas Square in downtown Toronto as part of the #IdleNoMore rallies happening in solidarity with First Nations across Canada and the world.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/Zp4F0P<<
SASKATOON!
Idle No More FlashMob Took Over Saskatoon's Midtown Plaza shopping mall -Over 2000 people showed up on December 20, 2012 for an Idle No More Flashmob round dance.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/XSihvh
ALBERTA!
Idle No More Flash Mob in Lethbridge, Alberta,
December 21, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/YzEMtQ
EDMONTON!
A round dance flash mob at West Edmonton Mall for Idle No More on December 18, 2012.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/Tgz0IW
WINNIPEG!
IDLE NO MORE takes over Portage Place shopping Mall Flash Mob Round Dance - December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/WG0sUZ
CALGARY!
#idlenomore flash mob round dance at the core (td square), downtown Calgary! - December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/ZrPDYd
BURNABY B.C !
#IDLENOMORE Round Dance @ Metrotown mall Dec 22, in Burnaby, BC on unceded Coast Salish Territories.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/105jV25
MANITOBA!
Dec 22, 2012- Idle No More Flash Mob Round Dance at Brandon Shopper's Mall Manitoba
Watch The Video here: > http://bit.ly/UlQTYM
MONTANA, U.S.A!
#Idle No More flash mob round dance in Billings, MT
December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/VZhxmQ
SEATTLE!
South Center Mall, Tukwila (Seattle) WA
December 22, 2012- 1300 strong!
Watch The Video here: >> http://bit.ly/VeTFz5
Idle No More is the most significant social movement of 2012. Idle No More was started by four aboriginal Saskatchewan women who are angry that the Harper government failed to consult with aboriginal leaders before amending and passing legislation that directly impacts aboriginal treaty rights and Canada’s protected waterways. Idle No More calls on all people to join them in solidarity which honors and fulfills Indigenous sovereignty which protects the land and water. Colonization continues through attacks to Indigenous rights and damage to the land and water. We must repair these violations, live the spirit and intent of the treaty relationship, work towards justice in action, and protect Mother Earth.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/winter-fails-to-slow-idle-no-mores-momentum/article6699001/
http://idlenomore1.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_11.html
Canada, it’s time. We need to fix this in our generation!
Contrary to what some media outlets are reporting, Chief Teresa Spence is is not only on a hunger strike "to protest Bill C-45 or even the deplorable treatment her community has received since declaring an national emergency last year. She has vowed to continue her hunger strike until the prime minister, the Queen or a representative, agrees to sit down in good faith with First Nations leaders to rebuild what has become a fractured and abusive relationship. She is staying in a tipi on Victoria Island, which sits below Parliament and the Supreme Court of Canada."
http://apihtawikosisan.com/2012/12/16/canada-its-time-we-need-to-fix-this-in-our-generation/
"YOU Need to speak for Chief Theresa Spence! She has gone without food, she is too weak to speak for herself, so YOU must do it. Speak...Loudly...Now is not the time to be polite...Speak...Loudly...use your voice together...so that the world can hear you...go to the places where we are not allowed to go...Speak for her.....Amazing. They shut down the intersection! Chief Theresa Spence is on a hunger strike, she will not end it until she is dead, or until she can meet face to face with Stephen Harper to discuss the pain her people are feeling..."
http://www.idlenomore1.blogspot.ca/2012/12/aerial-view-of-toronto-round-dance.html
Everyone needs to watch and share Chief Teresa Spence's Message to all people -Interview with Chief Theresa Spence on December 21st, 2012 from the site of her hunger strike in Ottawa.
Video>>http://bit.ly/TgUZ3J<<
A powerful Native woman explains why Native people and allies are taking this action across Canada and the world!
Watch and share the video here>>http://bit.ly/RNAZYi
Message Via Chief Theresa Spence as she enters her 15th Day of her hunger strike "Chief is still strong, very much alive today - thank you Creator for giving us hope and reason to live! Unity and strength is key to success." AND "Chief celebrated xmas eve w family and friends. Chief wishes all a very Merry Xmas and sends her love. Follow >>http://twitter.com/ChiefTheresa
>On December 4th Canada had over 2 million protected lakes, and over 8,500 protected rivers.
>On December 5th Canada now has only 97 Protected lakes and 62 protected rivers. (90 per cent of the protected lakes are on 1% rich conservative territory) Thanks to Stephen Harper
>>Click here for facts>>http://on.fb.me/VwjDtM
MUST READ: "Aaron Paquette, A First Nations artist does a wonderful job of highlighting why this is not just about our first Nations peoples. It is about EVERYONE in Canada:
http://www.aaronpaquette.net/?p=1260
Why ‘Idle No More’ is gaining strength, and why all Canadians should care
"Spence’s hunger strike is not just about Attawapiskat. It is not just about housing or school funding. And it is not just about the omnibus budget Bill C-45, which eliminates federally protected waterways and facilitates the sale of reserve lands without consultation. It is about all of that and more. Spence’s hunger strike is part of the Idle No More movement, which, in a matter of days, has become the largest, most unified, and potentially most transformative Indigenous movement at least since the Oka resistance in 1990. The fundamental issue is the nation-to-nation treaty relationship with Indigenous peoples that Canadian governments repeatedly flout by passing legislation without free, prior and informed consent."
source: http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/1305420--why-idle-no-more-is-gaining-strength-and-why-all-canadians-should-care
MUST READ: Chief Theresa Spence: I'm in a Life-Threatening Abusive Relationship...With my Government http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/chelsea-vowel/idle-no-more-first-nations_b_2279415.html
Download, share, distribute, add facts...whatever you want. This woman is a hero. For more info:
http://apihtawikosisan.com/2012/12/16/canada-its-time-we-need-to-fix-this-in-our-generation/
CHIEFS OF ONTARIO ISSUES URGENT OPEN LETTER TO HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN URGING DIRECT BRITISH CROWN INVOLVEMENT IN CHIEF THERESA SPENCE HUNGER STRIKE
http://www.chiefs-of-ontario.org/node/461
Action Alert: Tell Harper You Support Idle No More and Chief Theresa Spence >>http://bit.ly/UWKUq5<<- Takes 30 seconds to make a difference! Fill the online auto form & tell Harper to meet with First Nations Leaders, include First Nations in decision-making, and observe and honour treaty rights. Hundreds of letters have been sent so far. Let's make it thousands, flood harper's email.
Public Response is voicing its support for the Idle No More movement and Chief Theresa Spence’s hunger strike through its petition urging Harper to meet with First Nations leaders.
Takes 30 seconds to make a difference! Fill in online auto form here>>http://bit.ly/UWKUq5<<
FOR UPDATES AND MORE INFORMATION:
http://www.IdleNoMore.com/
LIKE THE IDLE NO MORE FACEBOOK COMMUNITY PAGE: http://www.facebook.com/IdleNoMoreCommunity
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#Idle No More Spreading Across The World! (SHARE)
There's a google map of all the worldwide #IdleNoMore events and rallies scheduled, find your local rally! View the Google Map here: http://bit.ly/ZWzvNA (upcoming events in order by place and date included below)
If you're helping to organize a rally that isn't showing, please email
the map admin "If you are interested in collaborating on this map, have
information you want shared on it, or want to email for any reason you
can reach timgrovesreports@gmail.com
#IDLENOMORE Use this form to add new events to the map: http://bit.ly/VhkvSx
All allies: Make this your profile photo if you support #idle No More!!>> http://on.fb.me/VwQnCZ<<
>>>ONTARIO<<<
Ottawa Idle No More!
Wednesday, December 26, 2012
11:45pm Rideau Centre food court
http://www.facebook.com/
IDLE NO MORE Flash Mob - Lambton Mall, Sarnia
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 12:00 pm EST - Sarnia, Ont:
http://www.facebook.com/
DIRECT ACTION EVENTS- IDLE NO MORE SUDBURY, ONTARIO
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 – Sudbury, Ont:
http://www.facebook.com/
BOXING DAY FLASH MOBS @ THE NEW SUDBURY CENTER
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:00am in EST - Sudbury, Ont:
https://www.facebook.com/
#idleNOMore Powwow - Sioux Lookout
December 31 at 3:00pm until January 1 at 1:00am in UTC-06 - Sioux Lookout, Ontario:
www.facebook.com/events/
NEW YEAR DAY MARCH/RALLY - IDLE NO MORE
Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:00pm in EST - Sudbury Ont:
https://www.facebook.com/
>>>SASKATCHEWAN<<<
FOUR DAY FAST (FEAST TO FOLLOW) IN HONOR OF CHIEF TERESA SPENCE - IDLE NO MORE
Thursday, December 27 at 12:00am until December 31 at 12:00pm in CST – Regina, Sask:
http://www.facebook.com/
***FLASH MOB ROUND DANCE*** Saskatoon
Tuesday, Jan 1st, 2013 – Saskatoon, Sask:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>ALBERTA<<<
IDLE NO MORE FLASH MOB PEACEFUL ROUND DANCE!!
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 2:00 pm – Fort McMurray, Alberta:
http://www.facebook.com/
Edmonton- Idle No More!
Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 12:00pm
West Edmonton Mall FLASH MOB! (DEC. 26) -
http://www.facebook.com/
Horse Nation will idle no more!!! (Horse ride from Hobbema to Wetaskiwin)
Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:00am in UTC-07 - Hobbema, Alberta:
https://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More – Edmonton Alberta - ONE Heartbeat
Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:30am until 2:00pm in UTC-07:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>MANITOBA<<<
Boxing Day-FLASHMOB-Idle No More!!!!!
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 1:00 pm - Winnipeg, MB, St Vital Centre:
http://www.facebook.com/
Blockade-Idle No More - Long Plain highway 305 bridge
Friday, December 28, 2012 9:00am until 1:00pm in UTC-06 Long Plain, MB 305 highway bridge:
www.facebook.com/events/
Idle No More Rally in Portage La Prairie, MB
Friday, December 28, 2012 2:00pm until 4:00pm in UTC-06 - Portage La Prairie, MB:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>BRITISH COLUMBIA<<<
Flash Round Dance ~ End Bill C-45
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 1:00 pm - Kelowna, BC:
https://www.facebook.com/
#idlenomore Vancouver -BC
Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:00pm
Vancouver Convention Centre
http://www.facebook.com/
#idle No More Vancouver Island - Flash mob round dance
Sunday, Dec 30, 2012 11:00 am - VICTORIA, BC:
www.facebook.com/events/
" Idle No More " NCN Community Gathering on January 3rd, 2013
Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 12:00pm until 2:00 pm – Port Alberni, BC:
http://www.facebook.com/
#IdleNoMore VICTORIA: March and Rally
Saturday, Jan 26th, 2012 10:00 am until 2:00 pm – Victoria BC:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>CANADA<<<
24 Hour Hunger Strike In Solidarity With Chief Spence
On-going:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/
Idle No More - Write to Your local MP & PM Campaign (in French too - Traduction française ci-dessous)
Sunday, December 30, 2012 – Anywhere:
http://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More: Turtle Island Movement - Border Blockade
Saturday, Jan 5th, 2013 – All of Canada:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>AMERICA<<<
"Idle No More" Flash Mob RoundDance-Animas Valley Mall, Farmington New Mexico
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 6:00 pm MST – Farmington, New Mexico:
http://www.facebook.com/
IDLE NO MORE Flash Mob - Lambton Mall
ROUND DANCE IN DETROIT
Thursday, Dec 27th 2012, 6:30 pm EST - Detroit:
https://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More - Santa Rosa (Northern California)
Thursday, Dec 27th 2012, Santa Rosa, Northern California
http://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More- Phoenix, AZ 12/29/12
Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:00pm in MST - Phoenix, AZ:
https://www.facebook.com/
Next Seattle #IdleNoMore Action:
Spinning Wind Next one- Idle No More Seattle
December 29 at 1:00pm
Westlake Center in Seattle, Washington
(No link provided)
Denver, CO-Unity Round Dance
Saturday Dec 29, 2012 1:30 p.m Cherry Creek Mall – Denver, CO:
http://www.facebook.com/
Oklahoma Natives Flash Mob Southern Style
Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:00pm in CST - Oklahoma
www.facebook.com/events/
IDLE NO MORE!! Sacramento Native's Flash Mob
Saturday, Dec 29, 2012 2:00pm until 5:00pm - SACRAMENTO:
http://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More Flash Roundy-Minneapolis/St.paul
Saturday, Dec 29th, 2012 5 pm – Minneapolis and St. Paul:
http://www.facebook.com/
IDLE NO MORE - Flash Round Dance imaa GAKAABIKAANG
Sunday, Dec 30th, 2012 6:00 pm CST – Minneapolis:
http://www.facebook.com/
Arizona Natives New Year's Eve Flash Mob
Sunday, December 31, 2012 11:55pm in MST - Tempe, AZ:
www.facebook.com/events/
Idle No More Solidarity Protest International Falls, Mn Border Crossing.
Saturday, Jan 5th, 2013 – International Falls, MN Border Crossing:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>GLOBAL<<<
24 Hour Hunger Strike In Solidarity With Chief Spence
On-going:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/
Idle No More, London UK Solidarity Action
Monday, January 28, 2013 8:30am until 9:00am in UTC - LONDON, UK:
http://www.facebook.com/
There's a google map of all the worldwide #IdleNoMore events and
rallies scheduled, find your local rally below! Communities that have
taken part now includes over 111 #idlenomore events in 90 places and
growing! View the Google Map here >http://bit.ly/ZWzvNA<
Map courtesy of the fantastic work of Tim Grows
If you're helping to organize a rally that isn't showing, please email
the map admin below.- "If you are interested in collaborating on this
map, have information you want shared on it, or want to email for any
reason you can reach > timgrovesreports@gmail.com
#IDLENOMORE Use this form to add new events to the map: http://bit.ly/VhkvSx
#idlenomore RoundDance FlashMobs happening EVERYWHERE in support of your First Nations brothers and sisters
TORONTO! MUST WATCH>>http://bit.ly/V8uISw
Idle No More Toronto On December 21. 2012 Over 1000 people took part in
the Idle No More FlashMob Round Dance, Over 8 rows people deep stopped
the busiest intersection in Canada @ Yonge-Dundas Square in downtown
Toronto as part of the #IdleNoMore rallies happening in solidarity with
First Nations across Canada and the world.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/Zp4F0P<<
SASKATOON!
Idle No More FlashMob Took Over Saskatoon's Midtown Plaza shopping mall
-Over 2000 people showed up on December 20, 2012 for an Idle No More
Flashmob round dance.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/XSihvh
ALBERTA!
Idle No More Flash Mob in Lethbridge, Alberta,
December 21, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/YzEMtQ
EDMONTON!
A round dance flash mob at West Edmonton Mall for Idle No More on December 18, 2012.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/Tgz0IW
WINNIPEG!
IDLE NO MORE takes over Portage Place shopping Mall Flash Mob Round Dance - December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/WG0sUZ
CALGARY!
#idlenomore flash mob round dance at the core (td square), downtown Calgary! - December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/ZrPDYd
BURNABY B.C !
#IDLENOMORE Round Dance @ Metrotown mall Dec 22, in Burnaby, BC on unceded Coast Salish Territories.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/105jV25
MANITOBA!
Dec 22, 2012- Idle No More Flash Mob Round Dance at Brandon Shopper's Mall Manitoba
Watch The Video here: > http://bit.ly/UlQTYM
MONTANA, U.S.A!
#Idle No More flash mob round dance in Billings, MT
December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/VZhxmQ
SEATTLE!
South Center Mall, Tukwila (Seattle) WA
December 22, 2012- 1300 strong!
Watch The Video here: >> http://bit.ly/VeTFz5
Idle No More is the most significant social movement of 2012. Idle No
More was started by four aboriginal Saskatchewan women who are angry
that the Harper government failed to consult with aboriginal leaders
before amending and passing legislation that directly impacts aboriginal
treaty rights and Canada’s protected waterways. Idle No More calls on
all people to join them in solidarity which honors and fulfills
Indigenous sovereignty which protects the land and water. Colonization
continues through attacks to Indigenous rights and damage to the land
and water. We must repair these violations, live the spirit and intent
of the treaty relationship, work towards justice in action, and protect
Mother Earth.
http://
http://
Canada, it’s time. We need to fix this in our generation!
Contrary to what some media outlets are reporting, Chief Teresa Spence
is is not only on a hunger strike "to protest Bill C-45 or even the
deplorable treatment her community has received since declaring an
national emergency last year. She has vowed to continue her hunger
strike until the prime minister, the Queen or a representative, agrees
to sit down in good faith with First Nations leaders to rebuild what has
become a fractured and abusive relationship. She is staying in a tipi
on Victoria Island, which sits below Parliament and the Supreme Court of
Canada."
http://apihtawikosisan.com/
"YOU Need to speak for Chief Theresa Spence! She has gone without food,
she is too weak to speak for herself, so YOU must do it.
Speak...Loudly...Now is not the time to be polite...Speak...Loudly...use
your voice together...so that the world can hear you...go to the places
where we are not allowed to go...Speak for her.....Amazing. They shut
down the intersection! Chief Theresa Spence is on a hunger strike, she
will not end it until she is dead, or until she can meet face to face
with Stephen Harper to discuss the pain her people are feeling..."
http://
Everyone needs to watch and share Chief Teresa Spence's Message to all
people -Interview with Chief Theresa Spence on December 21st, 2012 from
the site of her hunger strike in Ottawa.
Video>>http://bit.ly/TgUZ3J<<
A powerful Native woman explains why Native people and allies are taking this action across Canada and the world!
Watch and share the video here>>http://bit.ly/RNAZYi
Message Via Chief Theresa Spence as she enters her 15th Day of her
hunger strike "Chief is still strong, very much alive today - thank you
Creator for giving us hope and reason to live! Unity and strength is key
to success." AND "Chief celebrated xmas eve w family and friends. Chief
wishes all a very Merry Xmas and sends her love. Follow >>http://twitter.com/
>On December 4th Canada had over 2 million protected lakes, and over 8,500 protected rivers.
>On December 5th Canada now has only 97 Protected lakes and 62
protected rivers. (90 per cent of the protected lakes are on 1% rich
conservative territory) Thanks to Stephen Harper
>>Click here for facts>>http://on.fb.me/VwjDtM
MUST READ: "Aaron Paquette, A First Nations artist does a wonderful job
of highlighting why this is not just about our first Nations peoples.
It is about EVERYONE in Canada:
http://www.aaronpaquette.net/
Why ‘Idle No More’ is gaining strength, and why all Canadians should care
"Spence’s hunger strike is not just about Attawapiskat. It is not just
about housing or school funding. And it is not just about the omnibus
budget Bill C-45, which eliminates federally protected waterways and
facilitates the sale of reserve lands without consultation. It is about
all of that and more. Spence’s hunger strike is part of the Idle No More
movement, which, in a matter of days, has become the largest, most
unified, and potentially most transformative Indigenous movement at
least since the Oka resistance in 1990. The fundamental issue is the
nation-to-nation treaty relationship with Indigenous peoples that
Canadian governments repeatedly flout by passing legislation without
free, prior and informed consent."
source: http://www.thestar.com/
MUST READ: Chief Theresa Spence: I'm in a Life-Threatening Abusive Relationship...With my Government http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/
Download, share, distribute, add facts...whatever you want. This woman is a hero. For more info:
http://apihtawikosisan.com/
CHIEFS OF ONTARIO ISSUES URGENT OPEN LETTER TO HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
URGING DIRECT BRITISH CROWN INVOLVEMENT IN CHIEF THERESA SPENCE HUNGER
STRIKE
http://
Action Alert: Tell Harper You Support Idle No More and Chief Theresa Spence >>http://bit.ly/UWKUq5<<- 30="30" a="a" amp="amp" and="and" auto="auto" been="been" br="br" decision-making="decision-making" difference="difference" email.="email." far.="far." fill="fill" first="first" flood="flood" form="form" harper="harper" have="have" honour="honour" hundreds="hundreds" in="in" include="include" it="it" leaders="leaders" let="let" letters="letters" make="make" meet="meet" nations="nations" observe="observe" of="of" online="online" rights.="rights." s="s" seconds="seconds" sent="sent" so="so" takes="takes" tell="tell" the="the" thousands="thousands" to="to" treaty="treaty" with="with">
Public Response is voicing its support for the Idle No
More movement and Chief Theresa Spence’s hunger strike through its
petition urging Harper to meet with First Nations leaders.
Takes 30 seconds to make a difference! Fill in online auto form here>>http://bit.ly/UWKUq5<<
FOR UPDATES AND MORE INFORMATION:
http://www.IdleNoMore.com/
LIKE THE IDLE NO MORE FACEBOOK COMMUNITY PAGE: http://www.facebook.com/
Shared by Derek @ Occupy Canada
There's a google map of all the worldwide #IdleNoMore events and rallies scheduled, find your local rally! View the Google Map here: http://bit.ly/ZWzvNA (upcoming events in order by place and date included below)
If you're helping to organize a rally that isn't showing, please email the map admin "If you are interested in collaborating on this map, have information you want shared on it, or want to email for any reason you can reach timgrovesreports@gmail.com
#IDLENOMORE Use this form to add new events to the map: http://bit.ly/VhkvSx
All allies: Make this your profile photo if you support #idle No More!!>> http://on.fb.me/VwQnCZ<<
>>>ONTARIO<<<
Ottawa Idle No More!
Wednesday, December 26, 2012
11:45pm Rideau Centre food court
http://www.facebook.com/
IDLE NO MORE Flash Mob - Lambton Mall, Sarnia
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 12:00 pm EST - Sarnia, Ont:
http://www.facebook.com/
DIRECT ACTION EVENTS- IDLE NO MORE SUDBURY, ONTARIO
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 – Sudbury, Ont:
http://www.facebook.com/
BOXING DAY FLASH MOBS @ THE NEW SUDBURY CENTER
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:00am in EST - Sudbury, Ont:
https://www.facebook.com/
#idleNOMore Powwow - Sioux Lookout
December 31 at 3:00pm until January 1 at 1:00am in UTC-06 - Sioux Lookout, Ontario:
www.facebook.com/events/
NEW YEAR DAY MARCH/RALLY - IDLE NO MORE
Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:00pm in EST - Sudbury Ont:
https://www.facebook.com/
>>>SASKATCHEWAN<<<
FOUR DAY FAST (FEAST TO FOLLOW) IN HONOR OF CHIEF TERESA SPENCE - IDLE NO MORE
Thursday, December 27 at 12:00am until December 31 at 12:00pm in CST – Regina, Sask:
http://www.facebook.com/
***FLASH MOB ROUND DANCE*** Saskatoon
Tuesday, Jan 1st, 2013 – Saskatoon, Sask:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>ALBERTA<<<
IDLE NO MORE FLASH MOB PEACEFUL ROUND DANCE!!
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 2:00 pm – Fort McMurray, Alberta:
http://www.facebook.com/
Edmonton- Idle No More!
Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 12:00pm
West Edmonton Mall FLASH MOB! (DEC. 26) -
http://www.facebook.com/
Horse Nation will idle no more!!! (Horse ride from Hobbema to Wetaskiwin)
Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:00am in UTC-07 - Hobbema, Alberta:
https://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More – Edmonton Alberta - ONE Heartbeat
Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:30am until 2:00pm in UTC-07:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>MANITOBA<<<
Boxing Day-FLASHMOB-Idle No More!!!!!
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 1:00 pm - Winnipeg, MB, St Vital Centre:
http://www.facebook.com/
Blockade-Idle No More - Long Plain highway 305 bridge
Friday, December 28, 2012 9:00am until 1:00pm in UTC-06 Long Plain, MB 305 highway bridge:
www.facebook.com/events/
Idle No More Rally in Portage La Prairie, MB
Friday, December 28, 2012 2:00pm until 4:00pm in UTC-06 - Portage La Prairie, MB:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>BRITISH COLUMBIA<<<
Flash Round Dance ~ End Bill C-45
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 1:00 pm - Kelowna, BC:
https://www.facebook.com/
#idlenomore Vancouver -BC
Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:00pm
Vancouver Convention Centre
http://www.facebook.com/
#idle No More Vancouver Island - Flash mob round dance
Sunday, Dec 30, 2012 11:00 am - VICTORIA, BC:
www.facebook.com/events/
" Idle No More " NCN Community Gathering on January 3rd, 2013
Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 12:00pm until 2:00 pm – Port Alberni, BC:
http://www.facebook.com/
#IdleNoMore VICTORIA: March and Rally
Saturday, Jan 26th, 2012 10:00 am until 2:00 pm – Victoria BC:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>CANADA<<<
24 Hour Hunger Strike In Solidarity With Chief Spence
On-going:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/
Idle No More - Write to Your local MP & PM Campaign (in French too - Traduction française ci-dessous)
Sunday, December 30, 2012 – Anywhere:
http://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More: Turtle Island Movement - Border Blockade
Saturday, Jan 5th, 2013 – All of Canada:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>AMERICA<<<
"Idle No More" Flash Mob RoundDance-Animas Valley Mall, Farmington New Mexico
Wednesday, Dec 26th, 2012 6:00 pm MST – Farmington, New Mexico:
http://www.facebook.com/
IDLE NO MORE Flash Mob - Lambton Mall
ROUND DANCE IN DETROIT
Thursday, Dec 27th 2012, 6:30 pm EST - Detroit:
https://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More - Santa Rosa (Northern California)
Thursday, Dec 27th 2012, Santa Rosa, Northern California
http://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More- Phoenix, AZ 12/29/12
Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:00pm in MST - Phoenix, AZ:
https://www.facebook.com/
Next Seattle #IdleNoMore Action:
Spinning Wind Next one- Idle No More Seattle
December 29 at 1:00pm
Westlake Center in Seattle, Washington
(No link provided)
Denver, CO-Unity Round Dance
Saturday Dec 29, 2012 1:30 p.m Cherry Creek Mall – Denver, CO:
http://www.facebook.com/
Oklahoma Natives Flash Mob Southern Style
Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:00pm in CST - Oklahoma
www.facebook.com/events/
IDLE NO MORE!! Sacramento Native's Flash Mob
Saturday, Dec 29, 2012 2:00pm until 5:00pm - SACRAMENTO:
http://www.facebook.com/
Idle No More Flash Roundy-Minneapolis/St.paul
Saturday, Dec 29th, 2012 5 pm – Minneapolis and St. Paul:
http://www.facebook.com/
IDLE NO MORE - Flash Round Dance imaa GAKAABIKAANG
Sunday, Dec 30th, 2012 6:00 pm CST – Minneapolis:
http://www.facebook.com/
Arizona Natives New Year's Eve Flash Mob
Sunday, December 31, 2012 11:55pm in MST - Tempe, AZ:
www.facebook.com/events/
Idle No More Solidarity Protest International Falls, Mn Border Crossing.
Saturday, Jan 5th, 2013 – International Falls, MN Border Crossing:
http://www.facebook.com/
>>>GLOBAL<<<
24 Hour Hunger Strike In Solidarity With Chief Spence
On-going:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/
Idle No More, London UK Solidarity Action
Monday, January 28, 2013 8:30am until 9:00am in UTC - LONDON, UK:
http://www.facebook.com/
There's a google map of all the worldwide #IdleNoMore events and rallies scheduled, find your local rally below! Communities that have taken part now includes over 111 #idlenomore events in 90 places and growing! View the Google Map here >http://bit.ly/ZWzvNA<
Map courtesy of the fantastic work of Tim Grows
If you're helping to organize a rally that isn't showing, please email the map admin below.- "If you are interested in collaborating on this map, have information you want shared on it, or want to email for any reason you can reach > timgrovesreports@gmail.com
#IDLENOMORE Use this form to add new events to the map: http://bit.ly/VhkvSx
#idlenomore RoundDance FlashMobs happening EVERYWHERE in support of your First Nations brothers and sisters
TORONTO! MUST WATCH>>http://bit.ly/V8uISw
Idle No More Toronto On December 21. 2012 Over 1000 people took part in the Idle No More FlashMob Round Dance, Over 8 rows people deep stopped the busiest intersection in Canada @ Yonge-Dundas Square in downtown Toronto as part of the #IdleNoMore rallies happening in solidarity with First Nations across Canada and the world.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/Zp4F0P<<
SASKATOON!
Idle No More FlashMob Took Over Saskatoon's Midtown Plaza shopping mall -Over 2000 people showed up on December 20, 2012 for an Idle No More Flashmob round dance.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/XSihvh
ALBERTA!
Idle No More Flash Mob in Lethbridge, Alberta,
December 21, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/YzEMtQ
EDMONTON!
A round dance flash mob at West Edmonton Mall for Idle No More on December 18, 2012.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/Tgz0IW
WINNIPEG!
IDLE NO MORE takes over Portage Place shopping Mall Flash Mob Round Dance - December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/WG0sUZ
CALGARY!
#idlenomore flash mob round dance at the core (td square), downtown Calgary! - December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/ZrPDYd
BURNABY B.C !
#IDLENOMORE Round Dance @ Metrotown mall Dec 22, in Burnaby, BC on unceded Coast Salish Territories.
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/105jV25
MANITOBA!
Dec 22, 2012- Idle No More Flash Mob Round Dance at Brandon Shopper's Mall Manitoba
Watch The Video here: > http://bit.ly/UlQTYM
MONTANA, U.S.A!
#Idle No More flash mob round dance in Billings, MT
December 22, 2012
Watch The Video here: >>http://bit.ly/VZhxmQ
SEATTLE!
South Center Mall, Tukwila (Seattle) WA
December 22, 2012- 1300 strong!
Watch The Video here: >> http://bit.ly/VeTFz5
Idle No More is the most significant social movement of 2012. Idle No More was started by four aboriginal Saskatchewan women who are angry that the Harper government failed to consult with aboriginal leaders before amending and passing legislation that directly impacts aboriginal treaty rights and Canada’s protected waterways. Idle No More calls on all people to join them in solidarity which honors and fulfills Indigenous sovereignty which protects the land and water. Colonization continues through attacks to Indigenous rights and damage to the land and water. We must repair these violations, live the spirit and intent of the treaty relationship, work towards justice in action, and protect Mother Earth.
http://
http://
Canada, it’s time. We need to fix this in our generation!
Contrary to what some media outlets are reporting, Chief Teresa Spence is is not only on a hunger strike "to protest Bill C-45 or even the deplorable treatment her community has received since declaring an national emergency last year. She has vowed to continue her hunger strike until the prime minister, the Queen or a representative, agrees to sit down in good faith with First Nations leaders to rebuild what has become a fractured and abusive relationship. She is staying in a tipi on Victoria Island, which sits below Parliament and the Supreme Court of Canada."
http://apihtawikosisan.com/
"YOU Need to speak for Chief Theresa Spence! She has gone without food, she is too weak to speak for herself, so YOU must do it. Speak...Loudly...Now is not the time to be polite...Speak...Loudly...use your voice together...so that the world can hear you...go to the places where we are not allowed to go...Speak for her.....Amazing. They shut down the intersection! Chief Theresa Spence is on a hunger strike, she will not end it until she is dead, or until she can meet face to face with Stephen Harper to discuss the pain her people are feeling..."
http://
Everyone needs to watch and share Chief Teresa Spence's Message to all people -Interview with Chief Theresa Spence on December 21st, 2012 from the site of her hunger strike in Ottawa.
Video>>http://bit.ly/TgUZ3J<<
A powerful Native woman explains why Native people and allies are taking this action across Canada and the world!
Watch and share the video here>>http://bit.ly/RNAZYi
Message Via Chief Theresa Spence as she enters her 15th Day of her hunger strike "Chief is still strong, very much alive today - thank you Creator for giving us hope and reason to live! Unity and strength is key to success." AND "Chief celebrated xmas eve w family and friends. Chief wishes all a very Merry Xmas and sends her love. Follow >>http://twitter.com/
>On December 4th Canada had over 2 million protected lakes, and over 8,500 protected rivers.
>On December 5th Canada now has only 97 Protected lakes and 62 protected rivers. (90 per cent of the protected lakes are on 1% rich conservative territory) Thanks to Stephen Harper
>>Click here for facts>>http://on.fb.me/VwjDtM
MUST READ: "Aaron Paquette, A First Nations artist does a wonderful job of highlighting why this is not just about our first Nations peoples. It is about EVERYONE in Canada:
http://www.aaronpaquette.net/
Why ‘Idle No More’ is gaining strength, and why all Canadians should care
"Spence’s hunger strike is not just about Attawapiskat. It is not just about housing or school funding. And it is not just about the omnibus budget Bill C-45, which eliminates federally protected waterways and facilitates the sale of reserve lands without consultation. It is about all of that and more. Spence’s hunger strike is part of the Idle No More movement, which, in a matter of days, has become the largest, most unified, and potentially most transformative Indigenous movement at least since the Oka resistance in 1990. The fundamental issue is the nation-to-nation treaty relationship with Indigenous peoples that Canadian governments repeatedly flout by passing legislation without free, prior and informed consent."
source: http://www.thestar.com/
MUST READ: Chief Theresa Spence: I'm in a Life-Threatening Abusive Relationship...With my Government http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/
Download, share, distribute, add facts...whatever you want. This woman is a hero. For more info:
http://apihtawikosisan.com/
CHIEFS OF ONTARIO ISSUES URGENT OPEN LETTER TO HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN URGING DIRECT BRITISH CROWN INVOLVEMENT IN CHIEF THERESA SPENCE HUNGER STRIKE
http://
Action Alert: Tell Harper You Support Idle No More and Chief Theresa Spence >>http://bit.ly/UWKUq5<<- 30="30" a="a" amp="amp" and="and" auto="auto" been="been" br="br" decision-making="decision-making" difference="difference" email.="email." far.="far." fill="fill" first="first" flood="flood" form="form" harper="harper" have="have" honour="honour" hundreds="hundreds" in="in" include="include" it="it" leaders="leaders" let="let" letters="letters" make="make" meet="meet" nations="nations" observe="observe" of="of" online="online" rights.="rights." s="s" seconds="seconds" sent="sent" so="so" takes="takes" tell="tell" the="the" thousands="thousands" to="to" treaty="treaty" with="with">
Public Response is voicing its support for the Idle No More movement and Chief Theresa Spence’s hunger strike through its petition urging Harper to meet with First Nations leaders.
Takes 30 seconds to make a difference! Fill in online auto form here>>http://bit.ly/UWKUq5<<
FOR UPDATES AND MORE INFORMATION:
http://www.IdleNoMore.com/
LIKE THE IDLE NO MORE FACEBOOK COMMUNITY PAGE: http://www.facebook.com/
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Selected Comments : Is There a Scientific Consensus on Global Warming ?
If you choose to read the thread, I have been struck by the entries from Quietman
-
tonydunc at
14:44 PM on 15 March, 2009
I have been concerned about Climate change since the late 70's when
my brother in law warned me about the dangers of the earth as a heat
sink, and a room mate explained work she was doing about the degree of
deforestation in th Amazon, Congo and Southeast Asia. When I heard about
Mauna Loa I became, as the "deniers" here would call, an alarmist.
The main deniers of ACC here all seem to present a reasonable face and
continually provide information and links to support their arguments or
to question assertions of those that support ACC.
But many of their arguments appear to me to be strained at best, and
most telling I have yet to see much admission of fallibility. Both John
and Chris, and others have made many many observations and provided
countless sources backing up their assertions, many of which have not
been effectively countered, yet the deniers continue to proclaim their
views almost unchanged.
I was dissappointed that Chris left one of the discussions because some
arguments were brought up to counter his assertions after he left, and I
do not know enough to assess their validity. But in every case that he
has responded his arguments have been clear and totally supported.
the argument that the deniers here are not as critical of sources that
object to ACC as they are to sources that support them is extremely
important.
Also that there is no competing theory. As with the anti evolution
debate, there are dozens of competing theories, almost all mutually
exclusive. The interest seems to be on proving ACC to be false rather
than finding out the truth.
Quitman keeps insisting it is a tectonic issue, and all very clear, yet
it seems to me that Chris effectively demonstrated that every one of his
contentions was not supported by research. that in fact we know the
amount of carbon produced by tectonic effects, and it is 1% of the extra
CO2 in the atmosphere.
I have yet to read anything that Chris or John have written that was
factually in error or where their conclusion was not justified.
The fact that there are almost no peer reviewed articles that contradict
ACC is a towering argument. That does not by itself mean that the
consensus is right. It does not mean that there is not a huge conspiracy
. But a huge conspiracy on this scale would require some massive
fudging of data, or a degree of peer pressure that is clearly not
occurring. Certainly in Soviet Russia there was a mass conspiracy
supporting Lysenkian genetics. No papers were allowed to be published in
scientific journals that did not support it. Yet all the real
scientists knew that this was happening, and went along with it because
they would face severe penalties if they didn't. I know of no scientist
who supports ACC who is "pressured" to do so because of pressure and
therefore does not publish valid research data that would counter it. I
know of no scientists who refuse to look at research because they are
scared it might force them to disbelieve ACC.
This does not mean that there are not political pressures to support ACC
that distort aspects of how it is presented and that have serious
political imperatives.
Those should be faced head on and counteracted.
Many people on this site have pointed out the obvious and sometimes
shameful attempts to bolster anti ACC views that were unscientific. this
should not be disregarded. Nor should the funding by right wing and
energy based organizations that have an ideological or financial agenda.
but there has been sufficient time and thousands of research papers
detailing ACC and if it was incorrect in the main then a competing
theory that fit all the facts would have emerged.
I consider myself an alarmist because there IS a consensus on climate
change and almost nothing is being done about it. That is very alarming.
There are potential consequences that are indeed catastrophic. ACC is
not a problem in isolation. There are innumerable environmental crisis
that are happening at the same time, many of which are greatly
exacerbated by ACC. Not all are real and not all will be as bad as some
predict. I do know that deforestation, certain kinds of pollution, the
devastation of ocean life, biodiversity loss, and contamination of
various parts of the environment are accelerating. Atmospheric CO2 is
accelerating as well. Yet in spite of worldwide political and public
consensus, almost nothing is being done that could conceivably have any
effect. It is like a car heading toward a cliff, we can see it, but
instead of taking our foot off the accelerator and on the brake, we are
untying the shoe on the accelerator, so that if we do want to stop we
can take the shoe off and press not quite so hard with our bare foot.
As Risky puts it, why not just really slow down CO2 production. If we do
cut it drastically and it turns out not to be a big problem, we can
gear back up very easily. However if we don't, the risks of Greenland
melting are quite real. It might not, but it might. There are many who
believe that IPCC conclusions are ridiculously optimistic.
There are thousands of scientists who are convinced research show
significant ACC is happening, and that the consequences could be
devastating. So lets cut back to pre 1990 levels for 20 years and see
what the research shows then.
There are extremists who either don't understand science and therefore
make false exaggerated claims. And there are ideologues who believe that
they have to overplay their hand to counter the "enemy". But I am in
contact with some of these people and none of them believe that they are
wrong but are pulling this scam because they will get rich. They all
believe they are right, and just want to keep the evil corporation from
destroying the planet.
On the other hand we do know the tobacco companies knew they were wrong,
but lied and obfuscated about cancer as long as possible. We know that
Financial companies knowingly lied to all sorts of people. We know the
govenrment covered up what companies like Enron and Anderson were doing,
and knew that the current financial structure was "toxic". It does not
seem unreasonable to suppose that Exxon,and the Heritage foundation
would lie, knowingly lie, about ACC in order to keep making huge
profits. The idea that the profit motive is what is driving the science
behind ACC seems almost ludicrous given recent history and the structure
of our economic system.
I, however am fully an alarmist, because I think it is possible that the
Greenland Ice cap could melt substantially in 50 years. I do believe
that there could be a tipping point that affects the Sargasso ocean
current or some other currently stable climactic factor in a period of a
decade or two. I do believe there are potential consequences that could
wreak havoc on our society and on the world. I also believe that there
could be solutions that will mitigate the problems.
I also believe that nothing serious will be done about the issue until
there is some devastating crisis that puts the deniers into shell shock,
and that forces action. By then it may be too late to avoid some of the
seroius consequences.
these polite websites that argue back and forth will seem rather bizarre then.
ACC could be wrong. I think it extremely unlikely, and I think that it
will be not because it is "wrong" but because there is some other deeper
issue that really LOOKS like ACC, just as Quantum relativistic physics
really LOOKS newtonian in daily life.
the arguments of the deniers (except for Quietman, since he is convinced
his theory explains everything) are not consistant systematic theories
and are just flotsam thrown to obscure matters.
If the consequences were not so serious I would think it was great. but
the "debate" is actually causing serious delays in making necessary
immediate changes in human activities. it has been the United States for
the last 20 years being the lynchpin in stopping concerted efforts to
cut back CO2 emissions, and that has allowed China and india and others
to increase their CO2 output to US levels, and now they are starting to
obfuscate as much as we have.
-
Bruce Frykman at
05:52 AM on 19 March, 2009
Why I am a skeptic:
1) The climate change debate is fueled by cash: huge sums of it directed
by politicians to research institutions, "green" businesses, and
government "green" agencies and regulators, all of whom seek personel
gain through profit or careerism. This is not unlike any other
unwarrented influence attained by combining religion and state to the
detriment of human liberty. Replacing black robed preists with white
coated "scientists" does not alter this unwholesome relationship.
2) The politicians and press who promote AGW will entertain no counter
arguments, we do not hear debates but only lectures by those who seek to
gain from this scam.
3) No legitimate science would ever allow the many fradulent claims made
for it by its most ardent political supporters to go unchallenged based
upon any respect for honesty. ie a warm winter in Alaska is offered
as "proof" of "global" warming while a cold European winter is just
"weather". Nonsense of course, but no refutaion from the scam artists
whose careers depend on the scam.
3) Science is never driven by 'belief' or 'consensus' and certainly
science is never 'settled' Not even Newton's 'Laws' of motion. All of
these nonsensical statemements have been made by the people who seek
personal gain from this scam. And which authority claims to speak for
these legions of lock stepped "scientists"? Who granted this authority
over consensus taking other than politicians? Who "authorised" anyone
to speak for this "science"? If science is "settled" by authority or
consensus at what date did this policy begin?
4) If liberating fossil fuels is the problem, then planting trees to
suck up excess carbon dioxide is nonsense since anthropogenically
planted trees (APT) will utlimately die of either fire or rot both of
which will liberate the previously assimilated carbon right back into
the atmosphere. Yet the "scientists" (scam artists) allow the
politicians who fund them to get away with touting this nonsense - no
legitiamte science would ever allow this "indulgence buying" to go
unchallenged. Equally if carbon dioxide is great tree food then nature
will "plant" trees of its own naturally fecundity and not be dependant
upon APTs.(Anthropogincally Planted Trees)
5) If the "average" (will some "scientist" define "average" global
temperature in terms that have a precise meaning) temperatures are
rising "globaly" then no place on the globe should be exempt. If it's
on "average" warmer at point 'A' over the past 100 years it cannot
possibly be true that the signal will not be equally felt 100 miles away
at point 'B' If there is any significant difference between 'A' and
'B' then it is not "global" but only local. Can point 'A' "globally
warm" while point 'B' "globally" cools?
More points to follow....
-
Bruce Frykman at
06:39 AM on 19 March, 2009
6) The surface 'record': There is none. There exists no
instrumentation demonstrably designed to accumulate the earths "surface"
record - Can any "scientist" out there tell me what the surface temp
was in Green Valley AZ 100 years ago - dont try because it did not exist
- so is it part of the surface "record" today?
7) Greenhouse warming theories are not about surface "records" anyway -
its about atmospheric temps which appear to be very stable since they
have been systematically collected for this purpose - that shoots the
theory so the debate has to focus on a completely flawed surface
"record" Why?
8) If there were a real climate threat this scam industry funded by
criminal politicians who promote this hype would alter their own ways
and no longer have "carbon club prints" the size of dinosaurs compared
with the rest of the world's population of titmouse sized "carbon
footsie prints." Why do you jet all over the world by the hundreds of
thousands to attend gala conventions held at world class resorts and
pleasure spas to condemn the little people in keeping their hearth warm
back home where you all just left minus -20 in searh of "global" (read
Bali) warming?. I know Bali, Rio, Durban, The Seychelles, etc etc are
nice places to go on the public dime when its cold back home - but
doesn't this realluy give the big fat lie to your message?
9) Computer models - GIGO: Modeling behavior is a legitimate method of
science but you can't model behavior you can't possibly understand - if
you could you could model next months temperature - of course you can't
do that so you try to predict what will happen to us after we are all
dead - and this brings us right back to the point of religion whose
"peer-reviewed" theories compete head-on with yours as to just what
happens to us after we all die. This is the only "science" outside of
religion that cannot prove any of its assertions. This deligitizes the
entire field and this state supported religion would more truthfully
term you people "climate priests". No computer model has ever
"predicted" climate change and "postdictions" (altering the model to fit
past behavior) is nothing less than fraud.
10) Proxies - are only legitamate if the proxy can be used to confirm
data flawlessly time and time again that can be directly collected by
some other suitable means. Proxy A can not be used to confirm Proxy B
If one can directly correlate proxies with directly collected data then
the proxy is only a fantasy relationship that can never be proven.
Carbon 14 is a legitimate proxy method since the accuracy and range of
carbon 14 dating can be correlated through directly collected historical
records. No one should have any cofidence in proxies whose accuracy
cannot be demonstrated today.
Real Coastal Warriors shared a photo.
The
scientist named to oversee the research arm of Louisiana’s massive Gulf
restoration project left behind a major ethics scandal at the
University of Texas, where a panel has
blasted his role in authoring a deeply flawed pro-fracking paper without
disclosing that he’s been paid $1.5 million over five years as a board
member of a drilling company. Charles “Chip” Groat — also a former
director of the U.S. Geological Survey — was announced as February as
the incoming first president of the non-profit The Water Institute of
the Gulf, or TWIG, which has received $1 million in taxpayer funding
from Louisiana and additional support from the Baton Rouge Area
Foundation. The group’s mission is to provide the scientific
underpinnings as officials prepare to spend more than $17 billion to
restore the Gulf Coast, with some of the funding expected from settling
claims against BP for the 2010 spill. "The Scientist behind tainted
fracking study now heading major Gulf restoration project - "Charles
Chip Groat has demolished his credibility to guide the very important
The Water of the Gulf project. He needs to resign his position, or else
the project’s directors need to replace him immediately. The Gulf Coast
has been battered in the last decade, first by Hurricane Katrina and
then by BP’s negligence; it’s critical that the dollars that have been
freed up to restore the coastline and our quality of life be spent as
wisely, and as ethically, as possible. Groat is not up to that task."
-- Stuart Smith, Smith Stag Law Firm, New Orleans, LA Read more here: http://www.stuarthsmith.com/
a link.
Selected Comments : Is There a Scientific Consensus on Global Warming ?
If you choose to read the thread, I have been struck by the entries from Quietman
-
tonydunc at
14:44 PM on 15 March, 2009
I have been concerned about Climate change since the late 70's when
my brother in law warned me about the dangers of the earth as a heat
sink, and a room mate explained work she was doing about the degree of
deforestation in th Amazon, Congo and Southeast Asia. When I heard about
Mauna Loa I became, as the "deniers" here would call, an alarmist.
The main deniers of ACC here all seem to present a reasonable face and
continually provide information and links to support their arguments or
to question assertions of those that support ACC.
But many of their arguments appear to me to be strained at best, and
most telling I have yet to see much admission of fallibility. Both John
and Chris, and others have made many many observations and provided
countless sources backing up their assertions, many of which have not
been effectively countered, yet the deniers continue to proclaim their
views almost unchanged.
I was dissappointed that Chris left one of the discussions because some
arguments were brought up to counter his assertions after he left, and I
do not know enough to assess their validity. But in every case that he
has responded his arguments have been clear and totally supported.
the argument that the deniers here are not as critical of sources that
object to ACC as they are to sources that support them is extremely
important.
Also that there is no competing theory. As with the anti evolution
debate, there are dozens of competing theories, almost all mutually
exclusive. The interest seems to be on proving ACC to be false rather
than finding out the truth.
Quitman keeps insisting it is a tectonic issue, and all very clear, yet
it seems to me that Chris effectively demonstrated that every one of his
contentions was not supported by research. that in fact we know the
amount of carbon produced by tectonic effects, and it is 1% of the extra
CO2 in the atmosphere.
I have yet to read anything that Chris or John have written that was
factually in error or where their conclusion was not justified.
The fact that there are almost no peer reviewed articles that contradict
ACC is a towering argument. That does not by itself mean that the
consensus is right. It does not mean that there is not a huge conspiracy
. But a huge conspiracy on this scale would require some massive
fudging of data, or a degree of peer pressure that is clearly not
occurring. Certainly in Soviet Russia there was a mass conspiracy
supporting Lysenkian genetics. No papers were allowed to be published in
scientific journals that did not support it. Yet all the real
scientists knew that this was happening, and went along with it because
they would face severe penalties if they didn't. I know of no scientist
who supports ACC who is "pressured" to do so because of pressure and
therefore does not publish valid research data that would counter it. I
know of no scientists who refuse to look at research because they are
scared it might force them to disbelieve ACC.
This does not mean that there are not political pressures to support ACC
that distort aspects of how it is presented and that have serious
political imperatives.
Those should be faced head on and counteracted.
Many people on this site have pointed out the obvious and sometimes
shameful attempts to bolster anti ACC views that were unscientific. this
should not be disregarded. Nor should the funding by right wing and
energy based organizations that have an ideological or financial agenda.
but there has been sufficient time and thousands of research papers
detailing ACC and if it was incorrect in the main then a competing
theory that fit all the facts would have emerged.
I consider myself an alarmist because there IS a consensus on climate
change and almost nothing is being done about it. That is very alarming.
There are potential consequences that are indeed catastrophic. ACC is
not a problem in isolation. There are innumerable environmental crisis
that are happening at the same time, many of which are greatly
exacerbated by ACC. Not all are real and not all will be as bad as some
predict. I do know that deforestation, certain kinds of pollution, the
devastation of ocean life, biodiversity loss, and contamination of
various parts of the environment are accelerating. Atmospheric CO2 is
accelerating as well. Yet in spite of worldwide political and public
consensus, almost nothing is being done that could conceivably have any
effect. It is like a car heading toward a cliff, we can see it, but
instead of taking our foot off the accelerator and on the brake, we are
untying the shoe on the accelerator, so that if we do want to stop we
can take the shoe off and press not quite so hard with our bare foot.
As Risky puts it, why not just really slow down CO2 production. If we do
cut it drastically and it turns out not to be a big problem, we can
gear back up very easily. However if we don't, the risks of Greenland
melting are quite real. It might not, but it might. There are many who
believe that IPCC conclusions are ridiculously optimistic.
There are thousands of scientists who are convinced research show
significant ACC is happening, and that the consequences could be
devastating. So lets cut back to pre 1990 levels for 20 years and see
what the research shows then.
There are extremists who either don't understand science and therefore
make false exaggerated claims. And there are ideologues who believe that
they have to overplay their hand to counter the "enemy". But I am in
contact with some of these people and none of them believe that they are
wrong but are pulling this scam because they will get rich. They all
believe they are right, and just want to keep the evil corporation from
destroying the planet.
On the other hand we do know the tobacco companies knew they were wrong,
but lied and obfuscated about cancer as long as possible. We know that
Financial companies knowingly lied to all sorts of people. We know the
govenrment covered up what companies like Enron and Anderson were doing,
and knew that the current financial structure was "toxic". It does not
seem unreasonable to suppose that Exxon,and the Heritage foundation
would lie, knowingly lie, about ACC in order to keep making huge
profits. The idea that the profit motive is what is driving the science
behind ACC seems almost ludicrous given recent history and the structure
of our economic system.
I, however am fully an alarmist, because I think it is possible that the
Greenland Ice cap could melt substantially in 50 years. I do believe
that there could be a tipping point that affects the Sargasso ocean
current or some other currently stable climactic factor in a period of a
decade or two. I do believe there are potential consequences that could
wreak havoc on our society and on the world. I also believe that there
could be solutions that will mitigate the problems.
I also believe that nothing serious will be done about the issue until
there is some devastating crisis that puts the deniers into shell shock,
and that forces action. By then it may be too late to avoid some of the
seroius consequences.
these polite websites that argue back and forth will seem rather bizarre then.
ACC could be wrong. I think it extremely unlikely, and I think that it
will be not because it is "wrong" but because there is some other deeper
issue that really LOOKS like ACC, just as Quantum relativistic physics
really LOOKS newtonian in daily life.
the arguments of the deniers (except for Quietman, since he is convinced
his theory explains everything) are not consistant systematic theories
and are just flotsam thrown to obscure matters.
If the consequences were not so serious I would think it was great. but
the "debate" is actually causing serious delays in making necessary
immediate changes in human activities. it has been the United States for
the last 20 years being the lynchpin in stopping concerted efforts to
cut back CO2 emissions, and that has allowed China and india and others
to increase their CO2 output to US levels, and now they are starting to
obfuscate as much as we have.
-
Bruce Frykman at
05:52 AM on 19 March, 2009
Why I am a skeptic:
1) The climate change debate is fueled by cash: huge sums of it directed
by politicians to research institutions, "green" businesses, and
government "green" agencies and regulators, all of whom seek personel
gain through profit or careerism. This is not unlike any other
unwarrented influence attained by combining religion and state to the
detriment of human liberty. Replacing black robed preists with white
coated "scientists" does not alter this unwholesome relationship.
2) The politicians and press who promote AGW will entertain no counter
arguments, we do not hear debates but only lectures by those who seek to
gain from this scam.
3) No legitimate science would ever allow the many fradulent claims made
for it by its most ardent political supporters to go unchallenged based
upon any respect for honesty. ie a warm winter in Alaska is offered
as "proof" of "global" warming while a cold European winter is just
"weather". Nonsense of course, but no refutaion from the scam artists
whose careers depend on the scam.
3) Science is never driven by 'belief' or 'consensus' and certainly
science is never 'settled' Not even Newton's 'Laws' of motion. All of
these nonsensical statemements have been made by the people who seek
personal gain from this scam. And which authority claims to speak for
these legions of lock stepped "scientists"? Who granted this authority
over consensus taking other than politicians? Who "authorised" anyone
to speak for this "science"? If science is "settled" by authority or
consensus at what date did this policy begin?
4) If liberating fossil fuels is the problem, then planting trees to
suck up excess carbon dioxide is nonsense since anthropogenically
planted trees (APT) will utlimately die of either fire or rot both of
which will liberate the previously assimilated carbon right back into
the atmosphere. Yet the "scientists" (scam artists) allow the
politicians who fund them to get away with touting this nonsense - no
legitiamte science would ever allow this "indulgence buying" to go
unchallenged. Equally if carbon dioxide is great tree food then nature
will "plant" trees of its own naturally fecundity and not be dependant
upon APTs.(Anthropogincally Planted Trees)
5) If the "average" (will some "scientist" define "average" global
temperature in terms that have a precise meaning) temperatures are
rising "globaly" then no place on the globe should be exempt. If it's
on "average" warmer at point 'A' over the past 100 years it cannot
possibly be true that the signal will not be equally felt 100 miles away
at point 'B' If there is any significant difference between 'A' and
'B' then it is not "global" but only local. Can point 'A' "globally
warm" while point 'B' "globally" cools?
More points to follow....
-
Bruce Frykman at
06:39 AM on 19 March, 2009
6) The surface 'record': There is none. There exists no
instrumentation demonstrably designed to accumulate the earths "surface"
record - Can any "scientist" out there tell me what the surface temp
was in Green Valley AZ 100 years ago - dont try because it did not exist
- so is it part of the surface "record" today?
7) Greenhouse warming theories are not about surface "records" anyway -
its about atmospheric temps which appear to be very stable since they
have been systematically collected for this purpose - that shoots the
theory so the debate has to focus on a completely flawed surface
"record" Why?
8) If there were a real climate threat this scam industry funded by
criminal politicians who promote this hype would alter their own ways
and no longer have "carbon club prints" the size of dinosaurs compared
with the rest of the world's population of titmouse sized "carbon
footsie prints." Why do you jet all over the world by the hundreds of
thousands to attend gala conventions held at world class resorts and
pleasure spas to condemn the little people in keeping their hearth warm
back home where you all just left minus -20 in searh of "global" (read
Bali) warming?. I know Bali, Rio, Durban, The Seychelles, etc etc are
nice places to go on the public dime when its cold back home - but
doesn't this realluy give the big fat lie to your message?
9) Computer models - GIGO: Modeling behavior is a legitimate method of
science but you can't model behavior you can't possibly understand - if
you could you could model next months temperature - of course you can't
do that so you try to predict what will happen to us after we are all
dead - and this brings us right back to the point of religion whose
"peer-reviewed" theories compete head-on with yours as to just what
happens to us after we all die. This is the only "science" outside of
religion that cannot prove any of its assertions. This deligitizes the
entire field and this state supported religion would more truthfully
term you people "climate priests". No computer model has ever
"predicted" climate change and "postdictions" (altering the model to fit
past behavior) is nothing less than fraud.
10) Proxies - are only legitamate if the proxy can be used to confirm
data flawlessly time and time again that can be directly collected by
some other suitable means. Proxy A can not be used to confirm Proxy B
If one can directly correlate proxies with directly collected data then
the proxy is only a fantasy relationship that can never be proven.
Carbon 14 is a legitimate proxy method since the accuracy and range of
carbon 14 dating can be correlated through directly collected historical
records. No one should have any cofidence in proxies whose accuracy
cannot be demonstrated today.
Real Coastal Warriors shared a photo.
a link.
Selected Comments : Is There a Scientific Consensus on Global Warming ?
If you choose to read the thread, I have been struck by the entries from Quietman
-
tonydunc at 14:44 PM on 15 March, 2009I have been concerned about Climate change since the late 70's when my brother in law warned me about the dangers of the earth as a heat sink, and a room mate explained work she was doing about the degree of deforestation in th Amazon, Congo and Southeast Asia. When I heard about Mauna Loa I became, as the "deniers" here would call, an alarmist.
The main deniers of ACC here all seem to present a reasonable face and continually provide information and links to support their arguments or to question assertions of those that support ACC.
But many of their arguments appear to me to be strained at best, and most telling I have yet to see much admission of fallibility. Both John and Chris, and others have made many many observations and provided countless sources backing up their assertions, many of which have not been effectively countered, yet the deniers continue to proclaim their views almost unchanged.
I was dissappointed that Chris left one of the discussions because some arguments were brought up to counter his assertions after he left, and I do not know enough to assess their validity. But in every case that he has responded his arguments have been clear and totally supported.
the argument that the deniers here are not as critical of sources that object to ACC as they are to sources that support them is extremely important.
Also that there is no competing theory. As with the anti evolution debate, there are dozens of competing theories, almost all mutually exclusive. The interest seems to be on proving ACC to be false rather than finding out the truth.
Quitman keeps insisting it is a tectonic issue, and all very clear, yet it seems to me that Chris effectively demonstrated that every one of his contentions was not supported by research. that in fact we know the amount of carbon produced by tectonic effects, and it is 1% of the extra CO2 in the atmosphere.
I have yet to read anything that Chris or John have written that was factually in error or where their conclusion was not justified.
The fact that there are almost no peer reviewed articles that contradict ACC is a towering argument. That does not by itself mean that the consensus is right. It does not mean that there is not a huge conspiracy . But a huge conspiracy on this scale would require some massive fudging of data, or a degree of peer pressure that is clearly not occurring. Certainly in Soviet Russia there was a mass conspiracy supporting Lysenkian genetics. No papers were allowed to be published in scientific journals that did not support it. Yet all the real scientists knew that this was happening, and went along with it because they would face severe penalties if they didn't. I know of no scientist who supports ACC who is "pressured" to do so because of pressure and therefore does not publish valid research data that would counter it. I know of no scientists who refuse to look at research because they are scared it might force them to disbelieve ACC.
This does not mean that there are not political pressures to support ACC that distort aspects of how it is presented and that have serious political imperatives.
Those should be faced head on and counteracted.
Many people on this site have pointed out the obvious and sometimes shameful attempts to bolster anti ACC views that were unscientific. this should not be disregarded. Nor should the funding by right wing and energy based organizations that have an ideological or financial agenda.
but there has been sufficient time and thousands of research papers detailing ACC and if it was incorrect in the main then a competing theory that fit all the facts would have emerged.
I consider myself an alarmist because there IS a consensus on climate change and almost nothing is being done about it. That is very alarming. There are potential consequences that are indeed catastrophic. ACC is not a problem in isolation. There are innumerable environmental crisis that are happening at the same time, many of which are greatly exacerbated by ACC. Not all are real and not all will be as bad as some predict. I do know that deforestation, certain kinds of pollution, the devastation of ocean life, biodiversity loss, and contamination of various parts of the environment are accelerating. Atmospheric CO2 is accelerating as well. Yet in spite of worldwide political and public consensus, almost nothing is being done that could conceivably have any effect. It is like a car heading toward a cliff, we can see it, but instead of taking our foot off the accelerator and on the brake, we are untying the shoe on the accelerator, so that if we do want to stop we can take the shoe off and press not quite so hard with our bare foot.
As Risky puts it, why not just really slow down CO2 production. If we do cut it drastically and it turns out not to be a big problem, we can gear back up very easily. However if we don't, the risks of Greenland melting are quite real. It might not, but it might. There are many who believe that IPCC conclusions are ridiculously optimistic.
There are thousands of scientists who are convinced research show significant ACC is happening, and that the consequences could be devastating. So lets cut back to pre 1990 levels for 20 years and see what the research shows then.
There are extremists who either don't understand science and therefore make false exaggerated claims. And there are ideologues who believe that they have to overplay their hand to counter the "enemy". But I am in contact with some of these people and none of them believe that they are wrong but are pulling this scam because they will get rich. They all believe they are right, and just want to keep the evil corporation from destroying the planet.
On the other hand we do know the tobacco companies knew they were wrong, but lied and obfuscated about cancer as long as possible. We know that Financial companies knowingly lied to all sorts of people. We know the govenrment covered up what companies like Enron and Anderson were doing, and knew that the current financial structure was "toxic". It does not seem unreasonable to suppose that Exxon,and the Heritage foundation would lie, knowingly lie, about ACC in order to keep making huge profits. The idea that the profit motive is what is driving the science behind ACC seems almost ludicrous given recent history and the structure of our economic system.
I, however am fully an alarmist, because I think it is possible that the Greenland Ice cap could melt substantially in 50 years. I do believe that there could be a tipping point that affects the Sargasso ocean current or some other currently stable climactic factor in a period of a decade or two. I do believe there are potential consequences that could wreak havoc on our society and on the world. I also believe that there could be solutions that will mitigate the problems.
I also believe that nothing serious will be done about the issue until there is some devastating crisis that puts the deniers into shell shock, and that forces action. By then it may be too late to avoid some of the seroius consequences.
these polite websites that argue back and forth will seem rather bizarre then.
ACC could be wrong. I think it extremely unlikely, and I think that it will be not because it is "wrong" but because there is some other deeper issue that really LOOKS like ACC, just as Quantum relativistic physics really LOOKS newtonian in daily life.
the arguments of the deniers (except for Quietman, since he is convinced his theory explains everything) are not consistant systematic theories and are just flotsam thrown to obscure matters.
If the consequences were not so serious I would think it was great. but the "debate" is actually causing serious delays in making necessary immediate changes in human activities. it has been the United States for the last 20 years being the lynchpin in stopping concerted efforts to cut back CO2 emissions, and that has allowed China and india and others to increase their CO2 output to US levels, and now they are starting to obfuscate as much as we have. -
Bruce Frykman at 05:52 AM on 19 March, 2009Why I am a skeptic:
1) The climate change debate is fueled by cash: huge sums of it directed by politicians to research institutions, "green" businesses, and government "green" agencies and regulators, all of whom seek personel gain through profit or careerism. This is not unlike any other unwarrented influence attained by combining religion and state to the detriment of human liberty. Replacing black robed preists with white coated "scientists" does not alter this unwholesome relationship.
2) The politicians and press who promote AGW will entertain no counter arguments, we do not hear debates but only lectures by those who seek to gain from this scam.
3) No legitimate science would ever allow the many fradulent claims made for it by its most ardent political supporters to go unchallenged based upon any respect for honesty. ie a warm winter in Alaska is offered as "proof" of "global" warming while a cold European winter is just "weather". Nonsense of course, but no refutaion from the scam artists whose careers depend on the scam.
3) Science is never driven by 'belief' or 'consensus' and certainly science is never 'settled' Not even Newton's 'Laws' of motion. All of these nonsensical statemements have been made by the people who seek personal gain from this scam. And which authority claims to speak for these legions of lock stepped "scientists"? Who granted this authority over consensus taking other than politicians? Who "authorised" anyone to speak for this "science"? If science is "settled" by authority or consensus at what date did this policy begin?
4) If liberating fossil fuels is the problem, then planting trees to suck up excess carbon dioxide is nonsense since anthropogenically planted trees (APT) will utlimately die of either fire or rot both of which will liberate the previously assimilated carbon right back into the atmosphere. Yet the "scientists" (scam artists) allow the politicians who fund them to get away with touting this nonsense - no legitiamte science would ever allow this "indulgence buying" to go unchallenged. Equally if carbon dioxide is great tree food then nature will "plant" trees of its own naturally fecundity and not be dependant upon APTs.(Anthropogincally Planted Trees)
5) If the "average" (will some "scientist" define "average" global temperature in terms that have a precise meaning) temperatures are rising "globaly" then no place on the globe should be exempt. If it's on "average" warmer at point 'A' over the past 100 years it cannot possibly be true that the signal will not be equally felt 100 miles away at point 'B' If there is any significant difference between 'A' and 'B' then it is not "global" but only local. Can point 'A' "globally warm" while point 'B' "globally" cools?
More points to follow.... -
Bruce Frykman at 06:39 AM on 19 March, 20096) The surface 'record': There is none. There exists no instrumentation demonstrably designed to accumulate the earths "surface" record - Can any "scientist" out there tell me what the surface temp was in Green Valley AZ 100 years ago - dont try because it did not exist - so is it part of the surface "record" today?
7) Greenhouse warming theories are not about surface "records" anyway - its about atmospheric temps which appear to be very stable since they have been systematically collected for this purpose - that shoots the theory so the debate has to focus on a completely flawed surface "record" Why?
8) If there were a real climate threat this scam industry funded by criminal politicians who promote this hype would alter their own ways and no longer have "carbon club prints" the size of dinosaurs compared with the rest of the world's population of titmouse sized "carbon footsie prints." Why do you jet all over the world by the hundreds of thousands to attend gala conventions held at world class resorts and pleasure spas to condemn the little people in keeping their hearth warm back home where you all just left minus -20 in searh of "global" (read Bali) warming?. I know Bali, Rio, Durban, The Seychelles, etc etc are nice places to go on the public dime when its cold back home - but doesn't this realluy give the big fat lie to your message?
9) Computer models - GIGO: Modeling behavior is a legitimate method of science but you can't model behavior you can't possibly understand - if you could you could model next months temperature - of course you can't do that so you try to predict what will happen to us after we are all dead - and this brings us right back to the point of religion whose "peer-reviewed" theories compete head-on with yours as to just what happens to us after we all die. This is the only "science" outside of religion that cannot prove any of its assertions. This deligitizes the entire field and this state supported religion would more truthfully term you people "climate priests". No computer model has ever "predicted" climate change and "postdictions" (altering the model to fit past behavior) is nothing less than fraud.
10) Proxies - are only legitamate if the proxy can be used to confirm data flawlessly time and time again that can be directly collected by some other suitable means. Proxy A can not be used to confirm Proxy B If one can directly correlate proxies with directly collected data then the proxy is only a fantasy relationship that can never be proven. Carbon 14 is a legitimate proxy method since the accuracy and range of carbon 14 dating can be correlated through directly collected historical records. No one should have any cofidence in proxies whose accuracy cannot be demonstrated today.
![THE REIKI PRINCIPLES
- Five, Four, or only Three?
Generally, the majority of Reiki practitioners speak of the “Five Principles”
– and the Japanese term most commonly used to refer to the Principles: 'gokai' [五戒], reflects this.
(The 'go-' [五] part of the term means: 'five'.)
However, some people have suggested that in reality there are only four Principles.
Other people have suggested that there are only three.
Those who view the Principles as being only four in number claim that what we commonly think of as the third and fourth Principles should be read as one single statement – something along the lines of:
“Do your work with appreciation”.
Those who consider the Principles to be only three in number claim that, in addition to combining the third and fourth Principles, we should also read what we commonly think of as the first and second Principles as one single statement, along the lines of:
“Just for today, anger not, worry not.”
Certainly, the now-ubiquitous Japanese phrasing of the Principles - commonly prefaced with the words: “shōfuku no hihō, nanbyō no reiyaku” ("the secret method of inviting blessings, the spiritual medicine of many illnesses”) could indeed allow for such possibilities.
However, there is another, somewhat differently-phrased Japanese version of the Reiki Principles, dating from 1927, which most certainly does not.
In the inscription on the Memorial Monument which stands to the side of the Usui family tomb in the graveyard at the Saihoji Temple, Tokyo; the Reiki Principles are described in a way which unequivocally identifies them as being five in number:](http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s480x480/574635_4503929309561_851608401_n.jpg)
Mayan
Zapatistas rising up in the south, First Nations rising up in the north
and solidarity in the middle. So much gratitude flowing in the New
Beginning.
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