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Thomas Paine

To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

Tuesday, January 17, 2012

17 January - Reason is not a Quorum or Majority

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Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]
Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to dependably predict any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many independently-derived hypotheses together in a coherent, supportive structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.
history of toxic blooms off of FLA coast:

Data Sharing in Other Science Disciplines

How does the cultural framing of climate change create division and


After reading Kahnan’s research on how groups react to information based on percieved values of the informant and their personal outlook; it made me realise that to really move forward politically and socially we need to learn how to talk one another’s language to be able to understand where one another are coming from. This is the same in so many walks of life so why not for climate change?

Essentially it comes down to is understanding how we see the world through different value frameworks. I might be communitarian, you might be libertarian. I might be pro abortion, you might be against it. These values lie at the bottom of the choices we make, the way we respond to things, the people we socialise with; Often they have this  effect without us conciously knowing it. Thats why studies such as the one I talk about below are important, because they help disentangle the subtle web cast over cultural issues such a climate change by our differing values. They help us understand one another, even if we don’t agree.
This is certainly the starting point for progress and the basis for a more open debate about values in relation to climate change, rather than using pseudo-scientific or pseudo economic arguements to justify conclusions we have come to as a result of values alone. The paper described below is a good first step in gaining some insight.
Today I read this working paper written by Andrew Hoffman of the University of Michigan, entitled:
“Talking Past Each Other? Cultural Framing of Skeptical and Convinced Logics in the Climate Change Debate”
Hoffman decribes the logics of Deniers and Believers as essentially closed and unamenable to arguement, whereas those of convinced and skeptics are much more open to debate, to learning, to asking questions; and indeed represent the majority of people.

Frames and categories used do not threaten people’s values and therefore creative dismissive resistance to the argument
Precisely. Argument does however threaten peoples`values when they associate those values with Who I Am, whether the religious association is recognized or not. That is the overwhelming power of managing the Overton Window of what seems reasonable rather than honest debate dealing with issues over emotion.
You are looking at issues which have preoccupied me for a while.
Might I ask you to check these files and give me your reaction.
Opit`s LinkFest! to http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/p/topical-index.html
to http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/2010/03/climate.html
and http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/2009/07/perception-alteration.html
Kindly note these are as much or more research notes rather than any cogent argument – though my reaction of disbelief to any forecasting of the future via CO2 based modeling is escalating out of control.
Posted by John Farnham (@opit) | January 17, 2012, 7:42 pm
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This is nothing new to most of you—climate science
deniers’ talking points seem to be in our face all the time
and giving the “debate” any more airtime seems
counterproductive. But maybe there’s something we can
learn from the messages and frames (and messengers) that
are working for the science deniers in order to better hone
climate policy champions’ communications—especially
those that tap into particularly American values like
“personal freedom.”
Andrew Hoffman, the Holcim (US) professor of sustainable
enterprise at the University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business, studied the core values or
worldviews that define the science denial position on climate. He points out that “climate
change has been enmeshed in the culture wars where beliefs in science often align with beliefs
on abortion, gun control, health care, evolution, or other issues that fall along the contemporary
political divide.”
To better understand this “distinctly American phenomenon,” he studied the way climate science
deniers have consistently framed the issue. He’s boiled it down to three themes:

Why do you hate freedom? For science deniers, “climate change is inextricably tied to a belief
that climate science and policy are a covert way for liberal environmentalists and the
government to diminish citizens’ personal freedom.”
Job killers. “A second prominent theme is a strong faith in the free market, an overriding fear
that climate legislation will hinder economic progress, and a suspicion that green jobs and
renewable energy are ploys to engineer the market.”
Pointy-headed scientists. “The most intriguing theme is strong distrust of the scientific peerreview
process and of scientists themselves: “Peer review” turns into “pal review,” and
establishment scientist-editors only publish work by those whose scientific research findings
agree with their own. Scientists themselves are seen as intellectual elites, studying issues that
are beyond the reach of the ordinary person’s scrutiny.”

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 ( I look at the representations which say the 'Deniers' positions for them - since they are patently incapable of speaking for themselves ! - as evidence of  'Driving the crowds' )



opit says:
You have just provided an exhaustive analysis based on a premise of allegations about what other people think. I found it much more instructive to find that out firsthand.
Point : Climate Change Denial exists only in the minds of those who wish to shift the Overton Window from what is real to what is not.

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( You can find similar premises about Evolution and Vaccination. In each case coverage drives conclusions - but evidence is scarce to demonized - even through Search Engine results.
  Mind Control is about Acceptable Thought - not protecting truth, which is a consequence of considering different scenarios.
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I should be embarrased to be a resident of Alberta and find my positions much more acceptable here than elsewhere – which is not usually the case as energy and mining destruction in the style of the blight north of Fort MacMurray ( the stench alone will give you a headache at Fort MacKay )
But even neoConservatives might get one thing somewhat right about the International Tax on the Use of Fire which is proposed as a solution to the world’s problems.
You might not think so if Australia passing such regs against the will of the people was more commonly known. In fact, carbon credits have been prosecuted for fraud in the EU – as trading in a mirage which enables polluters to evade remedial action should be.
We do need pollution solutions. Stage managed ‘debate’ won’t get us there.

Living proof that conservation works

Worldwide fish stocks are falling as ever more rapacious and technologically-advanced fleets chase diminishing shoals

How I fell in love with a fish
TED talk on fish farming
 Light Hawk
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Edward Burtynsky - Photographic Works
 Nature and Parks 
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the centre developed a detailed questionnaire (Click Here to Download the Questionnaire) covering the nine key areas considered crucial for reflecting the values and principles of GNH.  These key areas of GNH fall within the domains of psychological wellbeing, health, time use, education, culture, good governance, ecology, community vitality and living standards.


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